Creators Hour 05/08/2010
Posted at 21:07 GMT on Thursday 5th August 2010
<Appocomaster> it's time for the Creators Hour!
<Appocomaster> (and, hopefully, to watch Liverpool knock zillions of goals past that other team)
<Appocomaster> firstly, let me draw your attention to http://pirate.planetarion.com/showt...d.php?p=3197313
-!- mode/#planetarion [-o Pea] by Appocomaster
<Appocomaster> whilst I remember :p
-!- mode/#planetarion [+l 160] by Appocomaster
<Appocomaster> I hope for a Jagex person to be here sometime, but Mac, who I've been working closely with over the last week, unfortunately has a wonky router
<Appocomaster> so he's promised to try and get on
<Appocomaster> but he did answer the main questions in case he wasn't
<Appocomaster> to summarise, in case some people aren't aware ...
<Appocomaster> Jagex have purchased Planetarion
<Appocomaster> in the last month or so.
<Appocomaster> We're currently working with a few Jagex people to allow for them to get a better understanding of the game
<Appocomaster> for the next round or so, we'll look to move everything over to their servers, and for them to become more involved
<Appocomaster> currently, we have a project manager ("Mac"), and, in the last few days, we've also been assigned a community manager (MarkG)
<Appocomaster> we're also working with one of their system administrators so they understand how the game is setup, and we've got a Q&A exchange with some of their support / MH / dev people on general game procedures
-!- mode/#planetarion [+o Markb] by P
<Appocomaster> their idea is, after we've migrated and they're happy with the game, for them to become more involved
<Appocomaster> nothing has been finalised in terms of structure of the future Planetarion / Jagex teams, or definite development directions
<Appocomaster> and also, "Galaxytarion", which I think was decided upon based on a misconception just before Pete bought us, when the PA Team looked to re-release the Planetarion code under a new name
<Appocomaster> so further discussions will take place around that
<Appocomaster> however, I'm happy to report that we've had over 170 e-mails back and forth between Planetarion and Jagex in the last month or so, and a couple of conference calls. There's also plans for some of the PA Team to meet up with some of Jagex later this month
<Ace> those UK boys ofc :)
<Appocomaster> sorry :p
<Appocomaster> Jagex are very keen on respecting the current game setup and looking to expand and build on it, working with the existing community and PA Team
<Appocomaster> any new ideas would, I presume, form a sequel, but this isn't finalised :p
<Appocomaster> some questions!
<CH_Bot> (Q 1): <Light> Is MarkG an upgrade to MarkB?
<Appocomaster> Markb: want to answer this one? :p
<Appocomaster> (he's *different*, he'll be trying to bring in some of the 24/7 community team)
<CH_Bot> (Q 2): <Phil^> with the game being moved to american servers, will the game clock change to american time or remain at gmt
<Appocomaster> Lunar is *strongly* confident that it'll stay as GMT. As the biggest playerbase is currently in the UK, there appears no need to change this
<Appocomaster> well, not confident, rather ... determined? :)
<Appocomaster> there are no plans to change this atm
<CH_Bot> (Q 3): <Burwattee> Can run and hide option be deleted please? it destroys any risk of 3 fleeting and zik and etd stealing playstyles?
<Appocomaster> There's no plan to currently change this, especially with the planned influx of new planets in the near future
<Appocomaster> there's the option of looking at allowing fleet catches with lower eta zik steal ships
<Appocomaster> to be honest, all different races have their issues
<Appocomaster> Steal, in an ideal world, might be lossless
<Appocomaster> and wouldn't get so much salvage through its bugged nature :p
<Appocomaster> EMP is flawed in terms of salvage, and being unbalanced due to its flakness
<Appocomaster> 1 fleet cloak ships, etc etc
<Appocomaster> so maybe there's room to re-examine the races; I'm sure that the game will undergo heavy re-examination
<CH_Bot> (Q 4): <Reincarnate> what is jagex main priority? Too improve Planetarion as it is or to create the sequel?
<Appocomaster> I see it that the main priority at the moment is to get Planetarion working on their servers and then giving it more support - in terms of adding to the support team, interacting more with the community (MarkG will, hopefully, be available on IRC in the future, as alluded to in the post I linked earlier)
<Appocomaster> I'm not honestly sure how much detail there is of a sequel, nor what the sequel would be like
<Appocomaster> it may just be they liked the idea when they read an incorrect wikipedia entry and so wanted to back the game that they interpreted it into their plans
<Appocomaster> but they definitely plan on supporting the game itself for the next year or so
<CH_Bot> (Q 5): <Reincarnate> has jagex bought PA to remove the competition? as i notice that their own game was Stellar Dawn was launched very recently.
<Appocomaster> Stellar Dawn hasn't launched yet (as far as I know), and I think they're looking to buy and grow games not "home grown" by them, rather than eliminate competition
<Appocomaster> it might be more a case of diversifying their purchases
<Appocomaster> only their CEO may know that for true, and unfortunately he won't be joining us on IRC in the near future :p
<CH_Bot> (Q 6): <Reincarnate> Will there be official Jagex representative for PA? and will we be able to bring our issues to jagex directly?
<Appocomaster> Yes, and yes
<Appocomaster> I've linked you to an announcement by two of them
<Appocomaster> Mac and Mark are definitely assigned to the game
<Appocomaster> they'll look to get more resources in and grow their presence
<Appocomaster> I know for sure that last round and this round, there are double figure signups from their main office
<CH_Bot> (Q 7): <Kargool> as many people is wondering about how Jagex will run the game from now on, have you been able to establish a timeline for what you intend to do with the game in the future?
<Appocomaster> There's no definite timeline as such
<Appocomaster> this round, the migration should occur
<Appocomaster> in 2 months time, we should be on their servers
<Appocomaster> during this round, they'll get more involved in the game
<Appocomaster> you should see a few new faces
<Appocomaster> they're not used to IRC
<Appocomaster> so it'll take them some time to get used to it
<Appocomaster> but they'll get here and get accustomed to it
<Appocomaster> they're also going to be learning how the ingame tools work, etc
<Appocomaster> there's no known date for any work on a sequel
<Appocomaster> or for integrating Planetarion into the main portal
<Appocomaster> the jagex portal
<Appocomaster> or for announcing officially that the game has been purchased
<Appocomaster> though that should be in round 39 or round 40
<Appocomaster> there will be many discussions over this round to cover most aspects of Planetarion
<Appocomaster> so, as more is finalised, we'll announce more
<Appocomaster> one thing Jagex are very determined not to do
<Appocomaster> is to make the mistake of previous owners and leap in with no deep understanding of the game, coming up with random ideas and trying to implement them
<Appocomaster> nor are they looking to make vast claims (facebook applications, 100k players, etc) before they're sure that this will occur
<Appocomaster> if anything, they are currently erring towards caution
<Appocomaster> but as they build a team to work alongside the PA Team, more details and structure should occur
<Appocomaster> this does mean there'll be a state of flux for the next round or two whilst things settle and Jagex start to get more involved rather than just learning
<Appocomaster> also, I talk too much!
<Appocomaster> gonna hurry through a few quesitons
<CH_Bot> (Q 8): <Reincarnate> will there be changes made to the current PATeam?
<Appocomaster> answered, tbh. sorry Reincarnate, can't be bothered to skip questions <3
<Appocomaster> to be fair to him, he asked these before all this information
<CH_Bot> (Q 9): <Kargool> As many of the PA forum moderators are either idle or non active, will you be looking at getting new forum moderators?
<Appocomaster> Jagex have an extensive community team
<Appocomaster> I'm sure that some of them will look at getting involved
<Appocomaster> however, I did notice on the forums that someone said that the Runescape forums are at least as bad as ours. that gave me some confidence
<Appocomaster> but yes, if the forums become more active, we'll have to look at getting some more mod support
<CH_Bot> (Q 10): <Kargool> With the hostility many people feel towards the PA forums and the mass off trolling going on there, will there be made plans to change the forums and enforce stricter moderation on the forums?
<Appocomaster> this is yet to be determined with the Jagex community team; I'm sure that discussions with MarkG will be forthcoming in the nearish future about it
<Appocomaster> when he's around on IRC, you might want to raise it as a concern yourself
<Appocomaster> but I'd personally love to see more forum activity, and indeed more things to get users involved on the forum
<CH_Bot> (Q 11): <Reincarnate> has there been an actually budget set for Planetarion development?
<Appocomaster> I don't even know how many people they'll look to get involved on a temporary and permanent basis with the game
<Appocomaster> i think they'll currently be looking for the potential of Planetarion rather than the current income
<Appocomaster> but it looks like they'll currently not be so concerned with "we only make x with the game, so we'll only spend x at most"
<CH_Bot> (Q 12): @CityHullSteve i cant get on irc. Any chance of asking if pds is likely to return. Tnx
<Appocomaster> <3 GET WELL STEVE!
<Appocomaster> Steve tweeted that question at me, first ever twitter question in CH :)
<Appocomaster> the usual answer to this is "NO"
<Appocomaster> however, if we can find some way to make PDS semi-balanced
<Appocomaster> i think it'd add a bit more variation to the game
<Appocomaster> so, I'm going to leave the door ajar on this rather than completely closing it
<Appocomaster> i think that a lot of things will be looked at and re-examined to see if they can be tweaked
<Appocomaster> the PA Team ourselves have some ideas of what we'd like to see done, but we'll be interested to see what Jagex say as they learn more about the game
<CH_Bot> (Q 13): Will the quests ever be expanded (reward) wise.
<Appocomaster> Very possibly. One of the reasons that quests haven't been expanded, either reward wise or more generally, is that there appear to still be a few niggly issues that I've never got around to fixing
<Appocomaster> also, it'd be more interesting to have a better plan on this
<Appocomaster> and I've just not had the time to sit down and focus purely on quests, like so many other areas
<Appocomaster> Jagex *may* be able to support this sort of thing more
<Appocomaster> dot the is and cross the ts
<Appocomaster> we may have a "I'd really like it if Planetarion were able to get around to finishing ....." thread
<Appocomaster> if someone wants to start one, be my guest!
<CH_Bot> (Q 14): Will planetarion stay the same code based as it is now or wil it go to java like many of the new owners games?
<Appocomaster> it'll stay as Perl / MySQL for the forseeable future
<Appocomaster> we like the current browser setup with mobile support
<Appocomaster> its flexibility
<Appocomaster> and I think the PA Team as a whole would probably reject a move to Java
<Appocomaster> I know that Jagex have at least 2 Perl coders, so we should be ok :p
<CH_Bot> (Q 15): Will planetarion be up as a game on there website soon as this wil attract allot more people?
<Appocomaster> I think I answered this already, it'll be in a round or two.
<Appocomaster> once, if nothing else, we're sure the servers and code and actual game support is there
<CH_Bot> (Q 16): <Siganiv> When will be Galaxytarion released? How it will be different from Planetarion?
<Appocomaster> this is a bit down the road, as has already been mentioned :)
<CH_Bot> (Q 17): @SDC Is the sequel to #planetarion still going to be called #galaxytarion ?
<Appocomaster> this is undecided too, tbh. I know Jagex have paid for the domain and the trademarks and so on, so ... we'll see
<CH_Bot> (Q 18): <[NFI]Ken> How much money did you want me to send for giving us admin access this round?
<Appocomaster> Ken, the cheque bounced last round. :( that's why you didn't get it then. none either this round, unfortunately. blacklisted due to poor payment methods :p
<CH_Bot> (Q 19): <Reincarnate> will jagex be looking into taking over Netgamers IRC? or having their own? as netgamers need development as well/
<Appocomaster> Jagex are still learning about the full extent of the IRC involvement in Planetarion
<Markb> Jagex don't use IRC, and NetGamers is a seperate entity to Planetarion, it'll be up for NetGamers to discuss that with Jagex if they want some help.
<Appocomaster> we will still host a NetGamers server
<Appocomaster> Markb: are Jolt still partners?
<Appocomaster> do you know?
<Markb> I don't
<Appocomaster> i don't know if Jagex would look to become more involved
<Appocomaster> Jolt were, but no one has been since
<Appocomaster> so, one of the many "TBC/TBD"
<CH_Bot> (Q 20): <Phil^> what is jagex's opinion on the current planetarion rules ( eula, etc ), are they going to leave them as-is or adjust to bring them more or less into line with the rules and punishments of their other games as well where possible
<Appocomaster> I think that this will be gone over with MarkG, as with so many other things
<Appocomaster> I'm sure there will be discussion on forums, IRC and in-game moderation
<Appocomaster> but it's still to be confirmed exactly when this will occur
<Appocomaster> at the earliest, Round 39 will probably see any impact of any changes that have been decided on?
<Appocomaster> Ace: are you planning on any changes in approach in the near future?
<Ace> well same goes for my team
<Ace> we need to discuss this with jagex and see where we match or differ
<Appocomaster> ok, thanks :)
<CH_Bot> (Q 21): <Phil^> what is jagex's plan for tackling the caustic attitude and disillusionment among the pa community
<Appocomaster> I think that they're trying to not make any bold announcements they can't meet
<Appocomaster> they're going to take a softly softly approach
<Appocomaster> gradually ramping up involvement
<Appocomaster> and let their actions do the talking
<Appocomaster> they've got as a priority the mistakes that previous owners have made, and that seems to reflect to some extent in everything they've done that I've seen
<CH_Bot> (Q 22): <Phil^> will jagex be bundling credits for other games for credit purchases? ie - buy 3 credits, get a month on runescape free or something
<Appocomaster> this isn't decided :)
<Appocomaster> but this, along with other questions
<Appocomaster> will be going on http://pirate.planetarion.com/showt...d.php?p=3197313
<Appocomaster> with answers
<Appocomaster> when they're available
<CH_Bot> (Q 23): <Kargool> Can I be able to name my asteroids soon?
<Appocomaster> no. but we are looking at an option of turning them pink
<CH_Bot> (Q 24): <Phil^> how many round names can you remember off the top of your head, without looking? :P
-!- mode/#planetarion [+v Phil^] by P
<Appocomaster> er ... 0
<Appocomaster> Markb? Ace ?
<Phil^> it doesnt count if they arent here to answer it :(
-!- mode/#planetarion [-v Phil^] by P
<Ace> how many can Phil^ name :)
<Appocomaster> that was a Jagex question?
<Appocomaster> ok :p
<Appocomaster> well, assume they know 0 too
<Appocomaster> ah yes, tick of destinty is the current one!
<CH_Bot> (Q 25): <Phil^> How many simultaneous games of planetarion do you think that the new servers will be able to cope with, if the ticker is set at say, 15 mins?
<Appocomaster> Lunar said 1
<Appocomaster> and, due to the way that perl is currently set up, any 1 server can only run 1 version of Planetarion (due to the Perl / Apache link)
<Appocomaster> however, with virtual servers ... we're not sure
<Appocomaster> but, for now, we'd only be looking at running the one version
<Appocomaster> if we get 1 million players, we could break it up :) it's an interesting possibility
<CH_Bot> (Q 26): <Phil^> How will jagex contribute to netgamers in future, considering that planetarion is a partner of it. Will more games be given official channels on it?
<Appocomaster> answered above
<Appocomaster> Markb will be meeting with them and can bring them up to speed on this sort of thing in a couple of weeks time
<Appocomaster> with Lunar and I :)
<CH_Bot> (Q 27): <Reincarnate> can we expect Jagex to do some for of advertising PA? whether that is in their current games or elsewhere?
<Appocomaster> I think that putting our name on their site is pretty hefty advertising. after this has occured, we'll hold discussions with them to see if any futher advertising will occur
<CH_Bot> (Q 28): <AndroX> Seeing Jagex has to spend 'some' money on this game when they purchased it, I take it they have a goal for and with this game. What is this vision? And when can the current players except the first signs of that?
<Appocomaster> the official answer is
<Appocomaster> We purchased Planetarion because it is a great game.
<Appocomaster> Many members of staff here play and really enjoy the game, and as you probably already know, that’s how we came to find out about Planetarion in the first place - through a member of staff who told us what a great game Planetarion was.
<Appocomaster> I think they saw potential in a lack of advertising - I did have a discussion with a member of Jagex before the bid went in on the history of the game
<Appocomaster> and so obviously there was something there that made them think that there was potential to grow the game
<Appocomaster> and maybe turn it into a series
<Appocomaster> but I'll put the question forward again to see if there's anything extra they wish to comment on
<CH_Bot> (Q 29): <m0rph3us> How can i join the crew deciding pa▒s changes ? :) (im full of rubbish and also good ideas)
<Appocomaster> I don't think there's a definte "group" decided upon yet
<Appocomaster> we'll look at that in a round or so
<CH_Bot> (Q 30): <Kaiba> why did jagex buy Planetarion when it has been a dying game for a long time now
<CH_Bot> (Q 31): <m0rph3us> could we have in future...a comment from pa crew/jagex about suggestions on the suggestion forum, such like "no fuck off" "sounds cool, we are thinking of it" "will be implemented shortly"
<Appocomaster> we'll look at doing this
<Appocomaster> I'm not sure how Jagex generally work on community stuff
<Appocomaster> and the way they handle Planetarion will have to be slightly different anyway
<Appocomaster> so we'll have to have some sort of discussion and compromise
<Appocomaster> but more interaction might well occur in terms of these suggestions
<CH_Bot> (Q 32): <AndroX> What happend to the passport system idea? there was a post a while back that you were looking for people to code this. Dead track again?
<Appocomaster> the passport was started but paused pending further discussion (and RL issues). If we integrate with Jagex's front end and account system in the next 6 months or so, there's little benefit of integrating the game with the passport when it's going to have to be re-integrated soon after
<CH_Bot> (Q 33): <MrLobster> Will the current GUI get replaced?
<Appocomaster> this is yet to be discussed but I expect there'll be some tweaks
<Appocomaster> at the very least
<Appocomaster> it won't turn into some sort of eve thing
<Appocomaster> and there will always be a mobile option
<Appocomaster> but, at the very least, a few more planet-related graphics might make an appearance sometime
<Appocomaster> lets hope they have a graphics guy who likes star trek :p
<CH_Bot> (Q 34): <MrLobster> Are the races going to more diverse, with say each race getting unique research items.
<Appocomaster> no final plans on this ... it might be possible, or we might look at moving to a one race format that can diversify instead
<CH_Bot> (Q 35): <sk8> Is there any chance of making the universe feed be output as an RSS feed?
<CH_Bot> (Q 36): <m0rph3us> you just said they will definately support the game over the next year, and whats after that ?
<Appocomaster> @35: I'll try. I know you (and your sidekicks) have hassled me over it.
<Appocomaster> @36 there's no planned ceasing of Planetarion, to my knowledge
<Appocomaster> I was just giving a statement that, as far as I knew, there'd be more emphasis on Planetarion than any sequel for the near future
<CH_Bot> (Q 37): <sk8> Will the bot planets be fixed for this round coming?
<Appocomaster> urgh. reason they weren't really activated last round is that with single targetting, bot planets are really just farms. we just had top players podding them rather than anything else
<Appocomaster> we'd like them to be a bit more fine tuned and, to be honest, I've spent more time generally sorting out stuff with Jagex and in other areas rather than focusing on this
<Appocomaster> which, to be honest, I should have been looking at for age s:p
<CH_Bot> (Q 38): <Light> With the implementation of a new alliance system, will we see any improvements to galaxys? either through new galaxy quests or GC/Minister options.. trying to get more communication between the players in a galaxy?
<Appocomaster> i personally want galaxy status to look more like alliance defence
<Appocomaster> with a drop down box for each incoming
<Appocomaster> at least
<Appocomaster> I'm not yet sure of an elegant way of doing it
<Appocomaster> i think there's a little more galaxy stuff that can be done
<Appocomaster> but nothing definite
<CH_Bot> (Q 39): <sk8> Can you make a way to create custom skins? Would be cool to have a good one for once ;)
<Appocomaster> there is a way already
<Appocomaster> if you just download the current .css files
<Appocomaster> there's no nice way of doing it, but you can create your own icons and modify the 2 css files
<Appocomaster> we used to have a mockup but the css etc gets changed almost every other round, so it's quickly outdated
<Appocomaster> the best way is to really download the css from a current skin, use the overview, research, construction, galaxy status, galaxy, forum and alliance def pages and play with the css + images
<Appocomaster> we'll look at doing a new template soon
<CH_Bot> (Q 40): <AndroX> Now what jagex is involved, are there finaly going to be alot more payment options? Like payment centers and the lot?
<CH_Bot> (Q 41): <sk8> Exile votes, why can't they just be a timed vote for the whole gal, whichever has most votes at the end of the limit wins. Helps in the inactive gals where it takes forever to get an exile done
<Appocomaster> it's dropped from 3 to 2 votes needed, so you only need 3 active people in a galaxy
<Appocomaster> (this wasn't announced, I forgot, my bad)
<CH_Bot> (Q 42): <sk8> Can we have scan stats on the universe page? We already have covops, scanners have to wait til after round to see their scan levels
<Appocomaster> I was thinking of adding scanning and covert ops stats (randomly) to the universe feed
<Appocomaster> but there's more focus on scanners and they may suffer a backfire if they get high on the rankings and someone tracks them down
<CH_Bot> (Q 43): <Elcs> As for the PDS question, perhaps if the PDS could be deactivated by the defending player and left untouched or only partially damaged by the attacking fleet then that would provide some sort of balance for those who wish to have PDS to discourage small time raiders. Adding a re-activation time of for example 6 hours to re-activate the PDS could be a counterbalance. Your thoughts?
<Appocomaster> something like that is possible, certainly :). things like init firing would also have to be discussed
<CH_Bot> (Q 44): <Kargool> will the multihunters look into getting their NDA changed so that they can do more commenting on general issues with the rules and regulations of Planetarion? And will you be changing the rules in co-operation with the community and Jagex?
<Appocomaster> (yes, I know I'm overrunning)
<Appocomaster> this has been partially discussed, the NDA is something between the PA staff and Jagex
<Ace> as i said before i will be lookingat the rules with jagex
<Appocomaster> but this as a general issue will need to be taken up with Jagex
<CH_Bot> (Q 45): <sk8> Will there ever be a 'perm' game of planetarion? As in no rounds, just a continual game? It would need some kind of feature to keep it going and easier for noobs, but would stop the 'downtime' between rounds
<Appocomaster> this is something Jagex are looking at. they're also insistent (as I've been) on a single account setup. so, round 39 may be the last time you sign up :)
<Appocomaster> downtime between rounds will also be discussed
<CH_Bot> (Q 46): <sk8> Now jagex have control, will free members have to have advertisements too, credits remove them?
<Appocomaster> i think that, to be honest, the fact that free accounts don't have advertisments is pretty amazing. I think they might in the future, but Jagex hasn't mentioned this to us
<CH_Bot> (Q 47): <m0rph3us> whats the reasons we stick to no cluster eta bonus, the community seems to have liked the cluster wars
<Appocomaster> the game is now so small that it's almost a cluster itself compared to earlier rounds
<Appocomaster> there's not really much padding
<Appocomaster> so we've removed it for now
<Appocomaster> maybe we'll add it back again in the future, it's the fickle sort of thing I'd do :p
<CH_Bot> (Q 48): <Elcs> Will the PA community chip in some money to purchase Appocomaster a new keyboard? I have been here for nearly 10 years and this is the most I have ever seen him type so his keyboard must be nearly melted away by now.
<Appocomaster> I've typed a lot more than this, thanks very much!
<Appocomaster> but, I appear to be coming down with some sort of overly-verbose problem
<Appocomaster> so I apologise that I've not been so concise
<CH_Bot> (Q 49): <Elcs> Is this the first time that Creators Hour has actually lasted more than an hour? :P
<Appocomaster> no, we've overrun in the past too!
<Appocomaster> but we've had about an hour ofquestions
<Appocomaster> I think that's it
<CH_Bot> (Q 50):
<Appocomaster> thanks for listening
<Appocomaster> I'll get a lot of this up in another hour or so
<Appocomaster> and I'll note down the Jagex questions and get them off to Jagex for answering